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A response to an old post


 Yesterday, I received an email from Tim, who had just read an old 2006 post of mine.  The post dealt on why Americans choose "exotic" women when they go to bars and where I gave the summary assessment that "Americans do not know how to party."

Why do I say this? Because Angeles City always come to mind when you mention Philippines to the Americans. Historically, Angeles City was home to a U.S. base---Clark Air Base---and because of its proximity to a site that houses Americans, it is expected that go-go bars would sprout. Same situation happened in Olongapo, which was home to another U.S. base---Subic Naval Base. Old memories do die hard.

Now I've been to Clark a few months ago to fly off to Singapore. And honestly, in terms of bars and ladies, it will not hold up to the places in Metro Manila. . . . In fact, if you want to do an apples-to-apples comparison, Angeles City is more like Makati's P. Burgos. And, as I mentioned, P. Burgos is the "McDonald's fast food of the men's entertainment business---cheap, filling, but of low quality and questionable health."

Why don't these travelling Americans go to Metro Manila instead? My thinking is that they go to Angeles because it is cheap there. According to the the forum, a short-time tryst is $10. Overnight is $20.

And this is what I can't understand. A lot of Americans go for, as we Pinoys call them, the "exotic" ladies. They don't go for the "mestiza" types. And it probably borders around pathetic. You travel halfway around the world to get laid with ladies who, in the looks category, are not actually up to par. Either the ladies in your home town are bottom-feeders or you yourself are not exactly ranking high in the attractive category. True the article does say that we have gorgeous ladies, but please, you have not seen gorgeous if you just limit yourself to Angeles.

Now here is Tim's response:

I'm an American living in Makati (4 years now).  My one comment is regarding what you consider "beautiful" vs. what the average American guy is looking for.  I know that the Philippines has taught for a long time that the mestiza girls were the Hottest.  And perhaps this is starting to change a bit, with stars like Mocha, but the truth is that the majority of American guys do not want a mestiza girl.  We have millions and millions of super hot mestiza aka white chicks in the US.  I mean why in the world would a guy fly half way around the world to screw the same chick he could pay for back home.   What he's looking for is the exotic different girl. And they is what Thailand and the Philippines offers.  Sure to you, the darker women aren't as good looking, but when an American guys comes here he is not necessarrily looking for the best looking.  For that he'd go to Vegas. He's just really looking for different.  Small petite body, firm perky breasts, dark "exotic" skin, and bringing his US dollars here and feeling like a king for a couple of days.

Now while I do respect Tim's opinion, I personally don't agree.  Does that mean if I have pretty women in my country I will look for ugly ones abroad?  Even when I travel abroad, I still look for the typical Filipina mestiza type.  I guess to each his own.  But I have always believed that, while one can say that "beauty is in the eyes of the beholder," there is little debate when one is confronted with butt-ugly.

I forgot to add Buwayahman, why don't you repost your "old post" so that newbies in your site can read it?

Most of the Westerners who responded here have summed up their answer and I just have to add one more thing.

It is already established that they go for the "ugly" women and not the pretty dark skinned ones such as Miriam Quiambao or Angel Aquino for that matter. Well, think of this, people. Those navy/army people that are stationed in Subic for the first time do not know anyone here. Only those bar girls in Angeles, no matter how bad looking they are, are the only ones at their disposal. Yes, there may be pretty ones, but these are usually taken really fast by their regulars.

Also, how sure are you that the mestiza women that pinoys worship aren't "ugly" in a caucasian man's eyes?

 but here's the thing: they produce pretty good-looking offsprings that are really fun to bang.

 Hey Buwayahman!  Check this blog entry out...it might explain why Americans (Caucasians in particular) love Asian girls.  

http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.wordpress.com/2008/01/20/11-asian-girls/

I lived in the U.S. and I am a filipino.  I consider a beautiful mestiza from the Philippines just look like an average girl, maybe there she is hot, but not here and  not to me.  Streets of america are flooded with true mestiza's and the caucasian (white) ladies, you can have them for just a fair price.  When I spend my vacation in the philippines 2 years ago, I did not look for a fair complexion or a mestiza girl, but i look for someone with similarity to Tetchie Agbayani (exotic look).  Why?  Just like what Tim said,  why should I travel  half across the globe to screw the same type of chick I could pay back home.  When I say exotic look, it doesn't  mean she is butt ugly, she is just interesting and different.

No offense to you Bman, but if you bring your mestiza chick in the US, white guys will hardly look and admire her, but in the other hand; you bring a Tetchie Agbayani  look alike here, most guys regardless of race  will salavate looking at her, including me.  Strange world but it is true. 

Let me start by saying that beauty is subjective (and in the eye of the beholder) and even though I sometimes cringe at who the americans like when they visit Philippines, I totally understand how the "exotic" (or ugly/plain) looking filipina with her dark skin & small petite figure would be desirable to the average american.

Just like the asian preference for lighter skinned mestizas, because we are tired of dark snub-nosed girls, americans are also tired of pale-skinned big boned white women. Hence the attraction for them. It is important that after an american (or any western expat) has lived in asia for a longer term, they tend to pick out the prettier morena and not the exotics anymore.

I have newly arrived filipinos in the USA, who were so happy to date a very average looking american girl here, because they just newly arrived and every white girl looks good. After several years, they tend to say to themselves: I can't believe I though she was very pretty back then.

The good thing, is when we party, we will not be going after the same type of girls.

i just wanted to comment of the quality of bars in angeles.

while it is true that bars along the perimeter of clark (fields avenue in particular) are not anywhere near the quality of bars in manila, there are a few quality places in angeles. bars such as Juliana, Pink Lady, Dunk Shot, Sky and Club Fairway are at a same level as some ktvs in manila (though not to the quality of pegasus or af1).

Americans really do have very poor taste in women. a friend of mine during my college days got married to an american 3 years back. if you asked me to describe her looks, i would say "mabait siya". hehe. i don't want to be judgemental or anything but she was not a looker. she was 5" tall, 90 lbs, dark skinned, and had a face only a mother could love (ang lupit ko naman ata). and the guy she married was no D.O.M. either. he was in his early 30's, had a decent job, and was fairly good looking. i saw them together shortly after their wedding and they were not a very pretty couple. just imagine a 6" tall white guy with 5" dark-skinned chick. same scenario you would see along fields avenue in balibago angeles city.

I think the Americans and the Europeans have the same taste for exotic women..Remember our very own Tetchie Agbayani, she was a centerfold model for German edition of Playboy during the early 80's.

 

I don't think they have the same standard, I am not american by blood nor not european either.  Looking at  Tetchie Agbayani's pics, I liked her,  she is not  ugly but attractive, she has dark skin which makes her exotic.  Remember exotic doesn't mean butt ugly.  Does this mean, I've got poor taste? I have my fair share of beautiful mestiza's before when I was growing up in the Philippines, and funny I am not married to anyone of them, but to a pretty Hawaain look filipina.

I personally don't find caucasians attractive although there are exceptions, like Elisha Cuthbert, Katherine Heigl and Maria Sharapova. Dark-haired non-Filipinos like Natalie Portman and Jessica Alba are probably closer to Filipino stereotype more so with the growing mix of ethnicities brought about by globalization, several beautiful women of Filipino descent are coming to the forefront of international attention (or lust?). This supports Mr. B's hypothesis.

On the other hand, we had an American friend, an ex-serviceman who was settling down here in the Philippines. He asked us to help him select a wife from several women who had answered his ad stating his intent to marry a Filipina. We dutifully sorted them into piles of women we oursleves would choose (based on accompanying photos and written profiles), women he might consider (they looked alright, not particularly attractive, but had other things going for them, and a third pile. The first two piles had teachers, nurses, accountants, a couple of doctors and dentists and even a lawyer, so I thought we'd done a pretty good job helping out.

Well, after poring over these files, shaking his head with doubt, he pokes his hand ino the third pile, picks up on picture, then another, and less than 5 seconds later, he's holding up a picture and says, "I like her, she's beautiful!" She was dark, hardly shapely (couch potato physique), short, with a face that would charitably be called unremarkable. Exotic indeed!

We were understandably flabbergasted. They're still married. Go figure.

i have personally witnessed this at least three times - i mean westerners making inexplicable choices of local ladies.

first time was several years ago, when a fellow female colleague and i managed to convince our male colleagues to bring us to pegasus. we were entertaining a western colleague in from our hk office. our male colleagues were trying to guide him at the aquarium, pointing to the prettiest girls. not heeding their advice, he chose THE ugliest girl there.

second time was very sad. a british couple i knew broke up because the guy fell for a bar girl. the wife found a photo of her and showed it to me. i am not exaggerating when i say that i am 100% sure all of our beloved helpers are better looking than that bar girl was. the brit couple divorced, and the guy married the bar girl. (they are still married.) ok, the poor wife was no beauty queen either, but can you imagine how painful that was for her.

third time: my friends and i were invited to an aussie expat's housewarming party some years ago. my single gf's were excited, because our host was a handsome young man. but when we got to his place...right inside the entrance was a huge framed photo-portait...of his maid! oh well...lucky maid! but it was a bit awkward for everyone, as she and her friends just hid in the bedroom, not really mingling with the party guests.

there is just no accounting for taste!

This is quite true, we had a pool side party not long ago and what's a party without girls right? My friend called for his contact to bring in two group of girls. When they arrived you can easily tell which group is for us Asian and which group is for our caucasian friends.
One good thing to note is that if you and your caucasian friend is out partying together, there will ALMOST NEVER be any conflict about girl between the two of you!

In my humble opinion as an American, the above post about the maid's framed portrait gives the game away. There is no comment about the looks or appearance of the maid. The mere fact that the maid was favored by the foreigner was apparently enough to gross out the invited guests. IMHO, THIS IS A MATTER OF CLASS, NOT OF APPEARANCE. Like most other Asians, filipino guys associate darker skin with lower caste, with dirt and disease and inappropriate behavior. In a word, not suitable for high society. Americans, and some Europeans, either don't recognize the signs of lower caste (I use the term advisedly) or do not care.

That said, I agree with some other insights. As a young man, and even more recently, I had my fill of blondes and redheads, and now dark skin is tempting and exotic. Given a range of skin tones at a party, I will prefer the darker. I love to sink into dark faces, arms, necks, nipples and shoulders. But you should know that on the street or in the mall, regardless of your prized Spanish blood, you all look dark to me! My own judgments as to class relate more to education and knowledge of English. Anyone who can use a perfective tense correctly (sorry, Buwayman, you do not) gets my highest admiration.

I am not wealthy by foreigner standards. And probably less so than many of the Manila gentlemen. But living here in Negros Or., where quality women are happy to earn P500 for a pop, I have a virtual basketball team of players, plus bench players begging for on-court action. The hottest is a fisherman's daughter--18 y.o., tall for a filipina, very slender, large breasts and a killer smile. She is near-model quality. She will never model in the Phs. because she is so dark. Never internationally, because her shoulders are so narrow. Therefore,  she's all  mine!

 

 

 

 

 

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